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The Blog the yellow Elephant is giving prizes away to college students for creating the best poster to harrass college conservatives. This is HATE SPEACH

And we honor those that sacrifice their lives defending it -

BY USING IT.

And instead of demeaning those who are using it - why not do something positive to support YOUR views. You have the same right to protest and make political argument.

"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism." - Thomas Jefferson

That's the point. Calling dissenters Nazis is ignorant to what the founding fathers of this country proposed and to those that have died to defend those very same ideals.

Oh and.. the so called supporters of free speach and minority rights have created a campaign to attack others that don't think as they do.

No - what they are doing is asking those that support the war - TO ENLIST.

Troop levels are very low. Don't you support increasing them?

This campaign your taughting is NOT free speach it is targeted harassment. Free speach is the voice of dissent, if you choose to protest the war please do, it is your right. Targeting another group for harassment which is what the Yellow Elephant campaign does is not free speach. It is the systematic harassment of a group of people that feel different than you do with the soul purpose to ostrasize them. If you think free speach gives you writ to do that than you are foolishly mistaken. The same kind of Free Speach that you are standing up for is the claim that a KKK member would make in defense of putting up posters to not serve black people.

If you want to protest the war print posters that do that. If you single out fellow students to harras because they do not believe the same things as you, YOU are a nazi. The tactic you are using is one of the tactics employed by the nazi party of Germany before they rounded up the Jews.

Do you want to be a nazi?

City Troll,

You may not agree that these people have a right to voice dissent or to challenge the inconsistency in people's positions on certain issues. That doesn't make it harassment, and it certainly doesn't justify throwing around comparisons with Nazis or the KKK.

If, on the other hand, you insist that it is harassment, I suppose you could compare this harassment with the harassment inflicted by those pesky civil rights marchers. Is it harassment? I suppose so, but it isn't like the people being "harassed" were just minding their own business. Most of them are folks who have supported, and continue to support, a war with which a significant portion of the American people disagree. And let's also be realistic about the fact that the harassment you are describing is actually quite benign, on average -- and it isn't as if the anti-war leftists you describe haven't been targeted quite heavily as well.

When you take sides on a politically divisive issue within a free society, you should expect to be confronted. If you feel that makes one a victim, maybe you should look at some real victims throughout our history, like those terrorized by the Nazis and the KKK.

Do you really see supporters of this war as being persecuted on that level?

(In the interest of disclosure, I was a supporter of the Iraq war, at least at the outset, but whatever your postion, I don't think we ever do freedom any favors by demanding silence from the opposition.)

Howard

#1 nowhere in my post did I ever demand silence from the opposition. Just the opposit I encourage thier protest of the war. If it is what they believe they should do it.

#2 It is harassment they are not protesting the WAR they are harassing fellow students that feel different than they do.

#3 The method they are using was used by the Nazi's. That is history. There also was a case in alabama that a man put posters up calling for white people to not serve blacks that went into white areas and when he was charged with harassment his defense was free speech.

Another thing that you must be aware of that the discrimination on american campuses against conservatives has become a major problem. A problem bad enough that Pennsylvania just passed legislation to protect conservative students from persicution and discrimination from profesors in our colleges. They had hearings and everything else. There is now a state review board in place to review and hear complaints that students can bring these cases to. It has gotten bad enough that schools can loose their state funding over it.

So once again I say if you want to protest the WAR do it. Don't single out people that have just as much right to support the war which like it or not a lot of people do for harassment.

As for your statement  "

Do you really see supporters of this war as being persecuted on that level?"  my question to you is what level of persicution is acceptable of Blacks, Jews, Catholics, Foreigners?  If you can justify persicuting one group you easily justify another.

should "blogers" learn to spell, too?

If you are comparing these tactics to those of the Nazis, then you must compare the same tactics as those by Ghandi and Martin Luther King Jr.

Do you actually mean to compare political speech to persecution?

How much of a nanny state do you propose we have?

I'm sorry - but this is moral relativism wrapped in incendiary rhetoric.

Being for free speech for conservatives (and that's what these cases were about in PA if I recall - political correctness had run amok and conservative view points were getting suppressed) - should not compel you to supress the free speech of others.

Where and when did Martin Luther King or Gahndi ever single out a group of people to haras? No where because they were not about hate. The campaign to single out a group of people for their political views is NOT protest. It is Harassment based in hate no matter how you dress it up.

If you want to protest the war make signs and march on washington. Orginize a sit-in on campus, but by singling out students for believing that this is the right war at the right time is anti King and anti Gahndi. If you studied them and their methods you would know that. But to you they are just names that you try and ad to your schpeel to justify your hate. Neither of those two men would agree with the tactics you are employing and want to employ against a single group of people that believe different than you. These are not the tactics of protest, they are the tactics of hate.

And I expect you won't. As a plus you have more insults in your reply.

You truely live up to your name don't you?

I know better to feed the troll. You're good. Ya got me.

Political speech is not an active campain of harasment against a group of students that think the war is the right thing to do.

I answered your question you refuse to accept the answer you got. The singeling out for harrasment of conservetive students which is what this poster campaign does is selective persicution of a campus minority.

Political protest does not do that. You however did not answer MY question of where and when did Gahndi or King ever single out a group of people to harass in this manor.

Karl -- It's just not worth it. Sad part is -- the Troll probably has some sort of valid points buried deep within the anger and hatred. But I'm not wasting any energy to find them.

The anger and hatred are not mine. They belong to the people who would employ nazi methods as a tool to promote thier cause. Thats my whole point.